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L-NAV

The airspeed displayed on my L-NAV does not match my mechanical ASI, what is wrong?
Please explain the real working of the "total energy final glide" feature.
How do I go about wiring the external warning switches for my L-NAV?
Why doesn't  L-NAV V5.x contain the ability to input the start gate height?
What is the difference between an L-NAV and an S-NAV?
How do I go about having my L-NAV upgraded to the latest version?
How do I go about having my S-NAV upgraded?
The airspeed on my L-NAV is wrong, how can I check my plumbing?
Why are the airport elevations missing from my L-NAV when it's connected to a Filser GPS?
How do I install my GPS-NAV and L-NAV in a two place ship?

The airspeed displayed on my L-NAV does not match my mechanical ASI, what is wrong?

I begin by making a summary of the problem as you have described it. The True Airspeed (TAS) indication of the L-NAV is not accurate. Your latest description is that at an airspeed of 90 lm/hr, the L-NAV Indicated Airspeed (IAS) varies rapidly from 0 to 60 km/hr and keeps changing within these values all the time. The earlier description is that at an airspeed of 120 km/hr, the L-NAV TAS is between 40 and 60 km/hr. Also the L-NAV TAS changes a lot, and therefore the L-NAV Wind indication changes a lot.

Your L-NAV is new. The problems you describe are EXTREMELY unlikely to come
from the L-NAV itself. The problem is most likely in the source of Pitot and Static pressures that the L-NAV is using to measure IAS. In DG gliders, the L-NAV Pitot and Static pressures come from the "Triple Probe" mounted on the glider's vertical fin. Pitot pressure comes from a small hole in the front of the probe. Static pressure comes from the ring of small holes about 30 mm back from the probe tip. The Total Energy (TE) probe is also part of the "Triple Probe".

A properly functioning "Triple Probe" will show very large errors in Pitot - Static pressures when the DG-808b engine is running. This is because of strong turbulence from the propeller. Therefore, an L-NAV cannot be expected to make accurate IAS -> TAS -> Wind measurement when the engine is running.

DG has problems with "Triple Probes" supplied with their gliders. I have personal experience with this. A Cambridge customer was extremely angry with us because his L-NAV was "not working right". The pilot sent his L-NAV back several times and we could find no problem. I flew from Vermont to Florida for a weekend to find and fix the problem. After many hours of troubleshooting, I found the problem was in the DG-500 "Triple Probe". The probe did not fit properly into the socket. This caused air to leak between the ports of the probe. The result was bad IAS measurement and bad Total Energy compensation.

Unfortunately, DG does not mark the "Triple Probe" to show when it is fully inserted. The DG-500 probe went in a "reasonable" distance and then stopped. After several hours of careful measurement, I discovered that the probe needed to be inserted ~ 1 cm more before the o-ring seals would work properly. Either the probe diameter was too large, or the o-ring seat within the probe socket was too small. After carefully sanding the end of the 8 mm diameter probe tube, we removed the chrome plating. and a little of the brass metal. Finally, we were able to push the probe fully in. After that, there were no more air leaks and the L-NAV worked perfectly.

Here are some hints for finding air leaks in your "Triple Probe" system.

1. Check the probe diameter near the end where it goes into the socket. It should be less than 8 mm. Mine is 7.95 mm.

2. My "Triple Probe" goes in 102 mm from the small tip. It is not a DG probe, so I am not sure what the proper insertion depth is for your glider.

3. There are 3 internal O-rings in the socket. One is ~ 5 mm from the outer end. There is a small O-ring for Pitot port at the back of the socket. The third O-ring is about 20 cm from the back of the socket. This O-ring makes a seal between the Static Port and the TE Port of the probe. The problem with the DG-500 probe was that the 8 mm diameter outer tube would not pass through this O-ring. However, when the probe is held firmly in place, the third O-ring does make a seal against the tapered end of the probe's 8 mm diameter tube. This makes it very difficult to discover leaks when you are working on the ground.

A properly functioning "Triple Probe" can be pulled back ~ 1 mm from full insertion without causing a leak. During leak testing, pull the probe back ~ 1 mm from full insertion. This will keep the third O-ring from making a "false" seal against the tapered end of the 8 mm diameter tube.

I presume you will find a defective "Triple Probe" system in your DG-800. The next task is to make the L-NAV work properly with a defective "Triple Probe". Here are my suggestions:

1. Use the Glider's Nose Pitot and Fuselage Static ports for L-NAV airspeed measurement. The simplest way to do this is to find the Pitot and Static sources for your mechanical airspeed indicator. Connect the L-NAV Pitot and Static ports to the same places. This has the additional advantage that you will get good Airspeed and Wind indications while your DG-808b engine is running. Cambridge recommends this as a permanent solution to airspeed measurement during engine run.

2. For the "Triple Probe" TE port to work properly, you must seal off the Pitot and Static ports of the "Triple Probe" system. This is easy to do at the instrument end of the system. Just connect the Pitot and Static tubing together with a straight tubing coupler. However, you must also seal off the probe end of the ports. Put a piece of tape over the "Triple Probe" Pitot port. Also, put a piece of tape around the Static ports. Then the TE probe will work properly.

Please explain the real working of the "total energy final glide" feature.

If you are flying at 100 knots on your final glide, your glider will gain more than 300 feet when you pull up and start your landing pattern. The kinetic energy (speed) of your glider can be converted into potential energy (altitude). The L-NAV adds this altitude to the gliders altitude in the computation of altitude required for the final glide. When flying with this feature, you will notice that the computed differential altitude required will be independent of the glider's airspeed. This was not the case with our earlier design that did not take the glider's kinetic energy into account.

When you increase the MacCready setting, the L-NAV tells you to fly faster. If you actually fly faster, you are moving to a part of the polar curve that makes the glide less efficient. You will get there faster, but you will be lower when you arrive. This is why the L-NAV shows an increased Altitude Required when you increase the MacCready setting.

In the latest version of the Pocket-NAV, you can make the L-NAV and Pocket-NAV talk to each other. This means you can change the MacCready setting on the L-NAV, and the change will appear on the Pocket-NAV.

How do I go about wiring the external warning switches for my L-NAV?

This is covered in the L-NAV Manual but a bit of clarification is in order. Click here to view a schematic diagram of the wiring.

All switches are "normally open" type. Hold switch should be open in cruise mode. Gear switch should be open when gear is down. Spoiler switch should be open when spoilers are retracted.

The choices of which switch to use and how to mount it is left up to the pilot.

Why doesn't  L-NAV V5.x contain the ability to input the start gate height?

With Version 5 L-NAV, we did eliminate the 5000 foot "Start Height" for points with the S attribute. This was done after extensive discussions with pilots here and overseas. The decision was not an easy one. Here are the reasons:

1. We found mistaken use of the S attribute in many Turnpoint Databases. The Home field was typically given attributes STFHA. The S game requires a separate point (perhaps with the same coordinates as the finish line). So pilots got goofy Required altitudes (using Start Height) when gliding to the finish line.

2. New rules for international and US competitions using GPS specify a start as an exit from the top or the side of a cylinder 5 km in radius around the start point. The concept of a glide to a "Start point" has no meaning for this type of start.

Please note that the Version 5 L-NAV User's guide does note the removal of special treatment for S attributes.

What are the differences between the S-NAV and the L-NAV?

The S-NAV was designed in 1986 to do everything a pilot might want in a gliding instrument. Its hardware and software have been upgraded many times as we and our customers learned what is useful. Building on 5 years of experience, the L-NAV was designed in 1991 with a simplified user interface to do what 90% of pilots want 90% of the time.

The S-NAV supports two variometer displays. The second display can be configured for 7 different functions. The L-NAV has one variometer display.

The S-NAV has a high resolution, 12 bit A/D converter; the L-NAV has a 10 bit A/D converter. This gives the S-NAV the following extra capabilities:
     An aerobatic g-Meter with ±10g range
     Altimeter range of 0 - 36,000 ft. (L-NAV is 0 - 25,000 ft)
     Electronic fine tuning of Total Energy Compensation

How do I go about having my L-NAV upgraded to the latest version?

You may return your instrument to the factory or any of our Service Dealers for the upgrade. You also have the option of installing the firmware ROM yourself.

The cost of the upgrade is $250.00 (U.S.). If you purchased your L-NAV after October 1, 1997, there is no charge for the upgrade.

If you are interested in doing the upgrade yourself please see the upgrade section of our website.

If you have a two seat installation you should return your L-NAV and the repeater to the factory or Cambridge Service Dealer as the firmware in the repeater must be upgraded as well. There is no additional charge for the repeater upgrade.

How do I go about having my S-NAV upgraded to the latest version?

The S-NAV may also be upgraded by the pilot. For further details see the upgrade section of our website. The upgrade cost of the S-NAV is $250.00 (U.S.). If the S-NAV is used in conjunction with a repeater, the repeater must also be returned. The cost of the upgrade for the S-NAV repeater is $100.00 due to the replacement cost of the microprocessor.

Depending on which firmware version your instrument is presently at, there may be additional charges for hardware necessary to support the upgrade. Please call the service department for specific details.

The airspeed indicator on my L-NAV seems to be off, how can I check my plumbing?

When checking for leaks, connect a "Y" tube to the pitot and static (airspeed).   In the calibrate screen you should see no variation in flow when you suck on the "y " tubing, (watch the numbers-pitot 1012, vario 511) . Do the same for vario-between The T.E. port and the capacity port.

I have connected my L-NAV to a Filser LX400 Flight Data Recorder and do not see the airport elevation on the L-NAV screen, why?

This problem (no airport elevations reported) occurs because the Filser does not supply the proper sentence for the L-NAV. In order for the L-NAV (or S-NAV) to receive airport elevations from a GPS, the data from the GPS must contain the sentences PCAIB and PCAIC. The Cambridge GPS-NAV is the only GPS Flight Data Recorder that transmits these sentences.

How do I install my GPS-NAV and L-NAV in a two place ship?

Click here to view written instructions.
Click
here to view wiring diagram.

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